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		<title>Comment on On The Adventures of Tintin by John David Ebert</title>
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		<dc:creator>John David Ebert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 07:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Nathan, you&#039;ve got the wrong guy here: no one is a bigger Spielberg fan than I am, and whereas most critics of him contend that for the past decade or so his films have been getting weaker and weaker (ever since, let&#039;s say, &quot;A.I.&quot;) I on the other hand have maintained that he has kept up a steady stream of great movies all the way down to his indisputable failure &quot;Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls.&quot; I loved &quot;Munich,&quot; &quot;Minority Report,&quot; &quot;A.I.&quot; and even &quot;War of the Worlds,&quot; which most people hated. &quot;Catch Me if You Can,&quot; however, could have been directed by anybody, and I put &quot;The Terminal&quot; on one of my lists as an all time favorite and one of his most underrated films. So, either you haven&#039;t been paying much attention to my reviews or, more importantly, my books, or you&#039;re just willfully forgetting what my position on Spielberg really is.

No, I most definitely did not go into Tintin hoping for a disappointment. That is incorrect. I actually went in expecting a great film and halfway through it, I realized I was still waiting to get to the &quot;good stuff&quot; which, of course, never came. I didn&#039;t deny that the film was entertaining, but as Spielberg? Come on now, Nathan, this is mediocre stuff, admit it. He is way, way more talented than this and capable of doing better. Anybody could have directed this film. There&#039;s absolutely nothing special about it whatsoever. You are just allowing yourself to be manipulated by the Culture Industry&#039;s tricks and gimmickry. Trust me, when the dust clears and the years have passed, you will come around and confess to the film&#039;s utter mediocrity.

And Christopher Nolan and Darren Aronofsky as bad filmmakers? We have yet another disagreement there. I have admired the films of both of these directors right from the start with Aronofsky&#039;s brilliant &quot;Pi&quot; and Nolan&#039;s &quot;Memento.&quot; His Batman films are the best superhero movies made yet and I am very much looking forward to the next one. 

Another issue: if I have been &quot;harping&quot; on the decline theme all year, it is because it is an indisputable fact that the film industry is in serious trouble, as is our whole civilization, generally speaking. If you believe that the Old Masters of the film school generation are still making good movies, then you are either lying to yourself, or are suffering from a deficient critical ability. Scorsese still making good films? You&#039;ve got to be kidding me: &quot;Shutter Island&quot; is an inferior film marred by a trite and cliched conclusion; &quot;The Departed&quot; was a sterile imitation of his glory days; and &quot;The Aviator&quot; was more or less a made for HBO movie. Cronenberg hasn&#039;t made a great film in over a decade; Carpenter can no longer make good movies; Coppola is now an incompetent buffoon and is actually an embarrassment with his two movies &quot;Tetro&quot; and &quot;Youth Without Youth&quot;;  Brian de Palma is a laughingstock and need hardly be mentioned in a serious film conversation. I could go on and on. Spielberg alone amongst this group has continued to make good movies with the exception of his two most recent films (although I haven&#039;t seen &quot;War Horse&quot; yet). 

When a medium begins to turn out poor quality works on a routine basis, then that medium is entering into a period of crisis and indecision, just as Renaissance art did when it ran into Mannerism and nobody knew what the hell to paint or why they were doing it. In that case, they solved the problem in Catholic Europe by shifting to chiaroscuro and in Northern Europe by no longer painting religious art. Contemporary art, too, is now suffering from a similar lack of conviction about its undertakings.

And no, I haven&#039;t seen Mission Impossible IV, but do you know why? Because there wasn&#039;t any need to make another shitty Tom Cruise action movie in the first place, except to prove to himself that he&#039;s still &quot;spry&quot; enough to pretend to leap around from building to building and so that the executives could make millions by tricking people into thinking they were watching an honest effort at making a good film. Strings of sequels, as I&#039;m sure you must know, are almost always a sign of creative impotence (saga films, like Star Wars, excepted: those are designed to be a film series from their inception). And you&#039;re telling me, in all seriousness, that you think we need another &quot;Men in Black&quot; movie when the first two were celluloid turds to begin with? Please. And another &quot;Madagascar&quot; movie? Are you kidding me?

The bottom line, though, is that Tintin is a mediocre dish, no matter which way you carve it up. You&#039;re just trying to fool yourself into believing that Hollywood isn&#039;t recycling its own cliches and stereotypes, which, of course, it is and has been doing for a long time now. 

And no, I do not go into movies with this &quot;preconception&quot; in my head. Just the opposite. I keep going in hoping to find signs of new life, new talent or some form of revitalization of the medium that will either prove me wrong or that will inspire new confidence in a fresh wave of geniuses. But sorry to say it: they just ain&#039;t comin.&#039;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Nathan, you&#8217;ve got the wrong guy here: no one is a bigger Spielberg fan than I am, and whereas most critics of him contend that for the past decade or so his films have been getting weaker and weaker (ever since, let&#8217;s say, &#8220;A.I.&#8221;) I on the other hand have maintained that he has kept up a steady stream of great movies all the way down to his indisputable failure &#8220;Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls.&#8221; I loved &#8220;Munich,&#8221; &#8220;Minority Report,&#8221; &#8220;A.I.&#8221; and even &#8220;War of the Worlds,&#8221; which most people hated. &#8220;Catch Me if You Can,&#8221; however, could have been directed by anybody, and I put &#8220;The Terminal&#8221; on one of my lists as an all time favorite and one of his most underrated films. So, either you haven&#8217;t been paying much attention to my reviews or, more importantly, my books, or you&#8217;re just willfully forgetting what my position on Spielberg really is.</p>
<p>No, I most definitely did not go into Tintin hoping for a disappointment. That is incorrect. I actually went in expecting a great film and halfway through it, I realized I was still waiting to get to the &#8220;good stuff&#8221; which, of course, never came. I didn&#8217;t deny that the film was entertaining, but as Spielberg? Come on now, Nathan, this is mediocre stuff, admit it. He is way, way more talented than this and capable of doing better. Anybody could have directed this film. There&#8217;s absolutely nothing special about it whatsoever. You are just allowing yourself to be manipulated by the Culture Industry&#8217;s tricks and gimmickry. Trust me, when the dust clears and the years have passed, you will come around and confess to the film&#8217;s utter mediocrity.</p>
<p>And Christopher Nolan and Darren Aronofsky as bad filmmakers? We have yet another disagreement there. I have admired the films of both of these directors right from the start with Aronofsky&#8217;s brilliant &#8220;Pi&#8221; and Nolan&#8217;s &#8220;Memento.&#8221; His Batman films are the best superhero movies made yet and I am very much looking forward to the next one. </p>
<p>Another issue: if I have been &#8220;harping&#8221; on the decline theme all year, it is because it is an indisputable fact that the film industry is in serious trouble, as is our whole civilization, generally speaking. If you believe that the Old Masters of the film school generation are still making good movies, then you are either lying to yourself, or are suffering from a deficient critical ability. Scorsese still making good films? You&#8217;ve got to be kidding me: &#8220;Shutter Island&#8221; is an inferior film marred by a trite and cliched conclusion; &#8220;The Departed&#8221; was a sterile imitation of his glory days; and &#8220;The Aviator&#8221; was more or less a made for HBO movie. Cronenberg hasn&#8217;t made a great film in over a decade; Carpenter can no longer make good movies; Coppola is now an incompetent buffoon and is actually an embarrassment with his two movies &#8220;Tetro&#8221; and &#8220;Youth Without Youth&#8221;;  Brian de Palma is a laughingstock and need hardly be mentioned in a serious film conversation. I could go on and on. Spielberg alone amongst this group has continued to make good movies with the exception of his two most recent films (although I haven&#8217;t seen &#8220;War Horse&#8221; yet). </p>
<p>When a medium begins to turn out poor quality works on a routine basis, then that medium is entering into a period of crisis and indecision, just as Renaissance art did when it ran into Mannerism and nobody knew what the hell to paint or why they were doing it. In that case, they solved the problem in Catholic Europe by shifting to chiaroscuro and in Northern Europe by no longer painting religious art. Contemporary art, too, is now suffering from a similar lack of conviction about its undertakings.</p>
<p>And no, I haven&#8217;t seen Mission Impossible IV, but do you know why? Because there wasn&#8217;t any need to make another shitty Tom Cruise action movie in the first place, except to prove to himself that he&#8217;s still &#8220;spry&#8221; enough to pretend to leap around from building to building and so that the executives could make millions by tricking people into thinking they were watching an honest effort at making a good film. Strings of sequels, as I&#8217;m sure you must know, are almost always a sign of creative impotence (saga films, like Star Wars, excepted: those are designed to be a film series from their inception). And you&#8217;re telling me, in all seriousness, that you think we need another &#8220;Men in Black&#8221; movie when the first two were celluloid turds to begin with? Please. And another &#8220;Madagascar&#8221; movie? Are you kidding me?</p>
<p>The bottom line, though, is that Tintin is a mediocre dish, no matter which way you carve it up. You&#8217;re just trying to fool yourself into believing that Hollywood isn&#8217;t recycling its own cliches and stereotypes, which, of course, it is and has been doing for a long time now. </p>
<p>And no, I do not go into movies with this &#8220;preconception&#8221; in my head. Just the opposite. I keep going in hoping to find signs of new life, new talent or some form of revitalization of the medium that will either prove me wrong or that will inspire new confidence in a fresh wave of geniuses. But sorry to say it: they just ain&#8217;t comin.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Comment on On The Adventures of Tintin by Nathan Dirscherl</title>
		<link>http://www.cinemadiscourse.com/2011/12/26/on-the-adventures-of-tintin/comment-page-1/#comment-39373</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Dirscherl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 00:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, John.  It sounds to me like you went into this movie having aleady made up your mind that it was going to be a disappointment.  You&#039;ve been on this theme all year; the idea that the culture is in decline and that we&#039;re fast approaching a new &quot;dark age.&quot;  So, each new Hollywood movie you see gets filtered through that prism.  Most people who see &quot;Tintin&quot; won&#039;t be thinking in those terms.

In your review, for example, you cite &quot;Mission Impossible IV&quot; as an example of a miserable sequel.  Have you even seen it?  While you can get away with calling it formulaic, it&#039;s hardly an example of a &quot;miserable&quot; sequel; it&#039;s been garnering some of the most enthusiastic reviews of the year and is probably the best film in the Mission:  Impossible franchise.  I would recommend it.

At the age of 65 and with a professional directing career that goes back to 1969, I don&#039;t think Spielberg has anything left to prove.  You can&#039;t expect him to top films like &quot;Close Encounters&quot; or &quot;Schindler&#039;s List&quot; every time out.  He&#039;s already said everything he&#039;s needed to say about the world and our responsiblity to it and anything we get now should just be seen as an added bonus to an amazing filmography.  Films like &quot;A.I.,&quot; &quot;Minority Report,&quot; and &quot;Munich&quot; are all recent examples of Spielberg taking huge creative risks and making films that are thematically rich and complex.  He&#039;s hardly riding on his own coattails.  If that were true, then he would have made that &quot;E.T.&quot; sequel by now.  He never did.

The problem doesn&#039;t lie with the old Hollywood masters (the movie brat generation).  They&#039;re still making good films.  The problem lies with the new generation of Hollywood filmmakers that have emerged in the last ten to fifteen years (Christopher Nolan, Darren Aronofsky, J.J. Abrams, Zack Snyder).  They&#039;re the ones who are not contributing anything of value to the culture and rely on recycled images.  Even Quentin Tarantino (a director I admire) basically makes &quot;homage&quot; movies and might be partially responsible for this recent trend.  These directors can be thought of as &quot;fanboys.&quot;  And the problem with fanboys is that they understand surfaces much better than they understand depths.

What we need is for a new movie brat generation to emerge that can clarify and put into context the problems facing our society today.  Unfortunately, though, it hasn&#039;t happened.  Hardly anyone has dealt with the recent economic crisis or the anxiety caused by the &quot;new media invasion.&quot;  On TV, we get shows about gimmicks instead of people (the opposite was true in the &#039;70s with the great American producer Norman Lear).  Comic books have a stranglehold over the entertainment industry and that doesn&#039;t seem to be about to change.

So, Spielberg is entitled to a bit of a break with &quot;Tintin&quot; (a fun romp of a movie that accomplishes exactly what it set out to do:  entertain).  It&#039;s visually stimulating and I think Tintin serves as a good role model for kids.  Spielberg will be back next year with &quot;Lincoln&quot; and the following year with &quot;Robopocalypse.&quot;  I doubt he feels &quot;imprisoned&quot; by his own style or by audience expectations.  He&#039;s the most versatile and ambitious filmmaker we have now.  The impression that I get from recent interviews is that he&#039;s just as energetic and enthusiastic as he ever was.  &quot;Tintin&quot; is hardly an example of a once-promising spark dying out.  I think it&#039;s one of the better films I&#039;ve seen all year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, John.  It sounds to me like you went into this movie having aleady made up your mind that it was going to be a disappointment.  You&#8217;ve been on this theme all year; the idea that the culture is in decline and that we&#8217;re fast approaching a new &#8220;dark age.&#8221;  So, each new Hollywood movie you see gets filtered through that prism.  Most people who see &#8220;Tintin&#8221; won&#8217;t be thinking in those terms.</p>
<p>In your review, for example, you cite &#8220;Mission Impossible IV&#8221; as an example of a miserable sequel.  Have you even seen it?  While you can get away with calling it formulaic, it&#8217;s hardly an example of a &#8220;miserable&#8221; sequel; it&#8217;s been garnering some of the most enthusiastic reviews of the year and is probably the best film in the Mission:  Impossible franchise.  I would recommend it.</p>
<p>At the age of 65 and with a professional directing career that goes back to 1969, I don&#8217;t think Spielberg has anything left to prove.  You can&#8217;t expect him to top films like &#8220;Close Encounters&#8221; or &#8220;Schindler&#8217;s List&#8221; every time out.  He&#8217;s already said everything he&#8217;s needed to say about the world and our responsiblity to it and anything we get now should just be seen as an added bonus to an amazing filmography.  Films like &#8220;A.I.,&#8221; &#8220;Minority Report,&#8221; and &#8220;Munich&#8221; are all recent examples of Spielberg taking huge creative risks and making films that are thematically rich and complex.  He&#8217;s hardly riding on his own coattails.  If that were true, then he would have made that &#8220;E.T.&#8221; sequel by now.  He never did.</p>
<p>The problem doesn&#8217;t lie with the old Hollywood masters (the movie brat generation).  They&#8217;re still making good films.  The problem lies with the new generation of Hollywood filmmakers that have emerged in the last ten to fifteen years (Christopher Nolan, Darren Aronofsky, J.J. Abrams, Zack Snyder).  They&#8217;re the ones who are not contributing anything of value to the culture and rely on recycled images.  Even Quentin Tarantino (a director I admire) basically makes &#8220;homage&#8221; movies and might be partially responsible for this recent trend.  These directors can be thought of as &#8220;fanboys.&#8221;  And the problem with fanboys is that they understand surfaces much better than they understand depths.</p>
<p>What we need is for a new movie brat generation to emerge that can clarify and put into context the problems facing our society today.  Unfortunately, though, it hasn&#8217;t happened.  Hardly anyone has dealt with the recent economic crisis or the anxiety caused by the &#8220;new media invasion.&#8221;  On TV, we get shows about gimmicks instead of people (the opposite was true in the &#8217;70s with the great American producer Norman Lear).  Comic books have a stranglehold over the entertainment industry and that doesn&#8217;t seem to be about to change.</p>
<p>So, Spielberg is entitled to a bit of a break with &#8220;Tintin&#8221; (a fun romp of a movie that accomplishes exactly what it set out to do:  entertain).  It&#8217;s visually stimulating and I think Tintin serves as a good role model for kids.  Spielberg will be back next year with &#8220;Lincoln&#8221; and the following year with &#8220;Robopocalypse.&#8221;  I doubt he feels &#8220;imprisoned&#8221; by his own style or by audience expectations.  He&#8217;s the most versatile and ambitious filmmaker we have now.  The impression that I get from recent interviews is that he&#8217;s just as energetic and enthusiastic as he ever was.  &#8220;Tintin&#8221; is hardly an example of a once-promising spark dying out.  I think it&#8217;s one of the better films I&#8217;ve seen all year.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Immortals by SoberFilmCritic</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoberFilmCritic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s something refreshing about watching a guy chopping off another guy&#039;s head and kicking his carcass off a cliff.  The popcorn and beer taste so much better when bludgeoned and bloodied bodies are flying left and right.   Four years ago,  the adaptation of Frank Miller&#039;s 300 showed us just how much blood, gore, and kickass stunts action aficionados could take.  Immortals is the latest action flick to try to tap into moviegoers&#039; lust for epic bloody battles on the big screen, the type taken to new levels of ultra-violence in 300.  Though it&#039;s  not as good as 300, Immortals is not that far off the mark.  With a badass like Mickey Rourke and action star in the making Henry Cavill, director Tarsem Singh does not let action lovers down.  For more of my thoughts on Immortals, check out my review on Sobriety Test Movie Reviews at http://bit.ly/vkaT5c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something refreshing about watching a guy chopping off another guy&#8217;s head and kicking his carcass off a cliff.  The popcorn and beer taste so much better when bludgeoned and bloodied bodies are flying left and right.   Four years ago,  the adaptation of Frank Miller&#8217;s 300 showed us just how much blood, gore, and kickass stunts action aficionados could take.  Immortals is the latest action flick to try to tap into moviegoers&#8217; lust for epic bloody battles on the big screen, the type taken to new levels of ultra-violence in 300.  Though it&#8217;s  not as good as 300, Immortals is not that far off the mark.  With a badass like Mickey Rourke and action star in the making Henry Cavill, director Tarsem Singh does not let action lovers down.  For more of my thoughts on Immortals, check out my review on Sobriety Test Movie Reviews at <a href="http://bit.ly/vkaT5c" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/vkaT5c</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on On Sucker Punch by Shahin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shahin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>English is not my first language and I am sorry if my post is hard to read and understand. I just wanted to share a couple of my thoughts regarding this topic.

As much as I like Woody Allen and Stanley Kubrick and many other Hollywood directors,  I would be very careful to call their achievements  the highest point in world cinema which correlates to High Renaissance paintings by Leonardo , Raphael and Michelangelo. I think that Italian Neo Realism,  French Author’s Cinema  and Russian Cinema School produced artists which are comparable, and in artistic merits usually more sophisticated than most Hollywood productions. Of course no one can argue that  Hollywood never created outstanding movies, but to argue that somehow the movies of Bergman, Antonioni, Fellini or Tarkovskiy are less important in the history of Western cinematography or somehow represent lesser achievements than Spielberg, Cronenberg and Carpenter seems unfair to me considering the artistic superiority of these European authors.
 
What is true is that they never had a marketing machine which American producers had at their disposal and they didn’t understand the business nature of cinema. But even from  this point of view it would be only fair to compare Leonardo and Michelangelo to the Europeans in their inability to secure financial gains from the art unlike American directors who are much savvier in the business of art. 

In my opinion if we are looking for the art which is uniquely  American and no one can come close to US artists and which is responsible for putting indigenous US talents on the world creative map, then it is the art of marketing and advertisement. Here I will agree that no one ever achieved the heights which US artists were able to achieve. Just to make it clear: I am not considering advertisement or marketing somehow a lesser art than painting or music; it is a modern way of expression, at least it was, and I think it is as important in revealing the spirit of contemporary civilization as the painting of Raphael or the fugues of Bach for their respective epochs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English is not my first language and I am sorry if my post is hard to read and understand. I just wanted to share a couple of my thoughts regarding this topic.</p>
<p>As much as I like Woody Allen and Stanley Kubrick and many other Hollywood directors,  I would be very careful to call their achievements  the highest point in world cinema which correlates to High Renaissance paintings by Leonardo , Raphael and Michelangelo. I think that Italian Neo Realism,  French Author’s Cinema  and Russian Cinema School produced artists which are comparable, and in artistic merits usually more sophisticated than most Hollywood productions. Of course no one can argue that  Hollywood never created outstanding movies, but to argue that somehow the movies of Bergman, Antonioni, Fellini or Tarkovskiy are less important in the history of Western cinematography or somehow represent lesser achievements than Spielberg, Cronenberg and Carpenter seems unfair to me considering the artistic superiority of these European authors.</p>
<p>What is true is that they never had a marketing machine which American producers had at their disposal and they didn’t understand the business nature of cinema. But even from  this point of view it would be only fair to compare Leonardo and Michelangelo to the Europeans in their inability to secure financial gains from the art unlike American directors who are much savvier in the business of art. </p>
<p>In my opinion if we are looking for the art which is uniquely  American and no one can come close to US artists and which is responsible for putting indigenous US talents on the world creative map, then it is the art of marketing and advertisement. Here I will agree that no one ever achieved the heights which US artists were able to achieve. Just to make it clear: I am not considering advertisement or marketing somehow a lesser art than painting or music; it is a modern way of expression, at least it was, and I think it is as important in revealing the spirit of contemporary civilization as the painting of Raphael or the fugues of Bach for their respective epochs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Sucker Punch by Ves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 00:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although it is undeniable Hollywood has become oversaturated with its own clichés, I’m not sure I can agree that this is the case with this particular movie. It seems to me that here, just like in Kill Bill, the overuse of clichés is conscious and deliberate, and kind of the whole point of the movie: that the only true meaning life has is what we attribute to it, and it most often takes the form of living out a series of clichés through which we have to fight our way. In other words, the whole point of the movie IS made through a series of such clichés.
Regarding the CGI ridden, videogameish aesthetics of the movie, it seems to me that with Zack Snyders movies like 300 and Suckerpunch it has reached its peek, but in a positive way. The effects no longer stick out like a sore thumb, but have rather been assimilated with the rest of the visual background, forming a distinct surreal stile which reflects very appropriately  the whole fake feel of the electronic age we live in, in which the computer generated imagery no longer tries to imitate reality, but reality itself imitates the virtual simulacrum until they become virtually undistinguishable. The whole phenomenon can, from a visual standpoint, indeed be compared to Mannerism. What I’m saying is that Zack Snyder chose to paint this painting in this particular stile very deliberately, and not because he doesn’t know any better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it is undeniable Hollywood has become oversaturated with its own clichés, I’m not sure I can agree that this is the case with this particular movie. It seems to me that here, just like in Kill Bill, the overuse of clichés is conscious and deliberate, and kind of the whole point of the movie: that the only true meaning life has is what we attribute to it, and it most often takes the form of living out a series of clichés through which we have to fight our way. In other words, the whole point of the movie IS made through a series of such clichés.<br />
Regarding the CGI ridden, videogameish aesthetics of the movie, it seems to me that with Zack Snyders movies like 300 and Suckerpunch it has reached its peek, but in a positive way. The effects no longer stick out like a sore thumb, but have rather been assimilated with the rest of the visual background, forming a distinct surreal stile which reflects very appropriately  the whole fake feel of the electronic age we live in, in which the computer generated imagery no longer tries to imitate reality, but reality itself imitates the virtual simulacrum until they become virtually undistinguishable. The whole phenomenon can, from a visual standpoint, indeed be compared to Mannerism. What I’m saying is that Zack Snyder chose to paint this painting in this particular stile very deliberately, and not because he doesn’t know any better</p>
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		<title>Comment on John David Ebert Movie Review of Inland Empire by Gary A. Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary A. Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 04:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve interpreted INLAND EMPIRE as a portrait of a curse. The curse is &#039;Axxon n&#039; , the long running radio play, a portion seen at the start with the couple in the hallway. Which was also based on a folktale. This was made into a film named 4/7 (clips of which are shown). Which in turn was remade into ON HIGH IN BLUE TOMORROWS . Each dealt with infidelity and murder. And these actions also are invoked sympathetically. Whilst filming Nikki realizes this and also how to undo the curse.</description>
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		<title>Comment on On Rise of the Planet of the Apes by Ves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 01:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I&#039;ve been reading reviews on this site for a while now, but have never posted a comment. I&#039;m not from an English speaking country, so excuse any spelling errors. I&#039;ve made it a point not to read your reviews before I&#039;ve watched the movie in question and formulated an opinion, and I&#039;ve just seen Rise of the Planet of the Apes, so the impressions are still fresh in my mind. 

There&#039;s a couple of motifs which appear in this movie that, although maybe not of great mythological importance, I think are still worth mentioning. The most prominent woul be the motif of the slaves&#039; uprising. The whole movie reminded me of Spartacus, so much so that I believe THAT would be a more appropriate name for the ape than Cesar. He winds up in a Roman gladiator-like enviroment, in which he is pushed into violence. At first he loses, but is eventually able to rise in this new agresive and competitive world by employing the full potential of his superior mental powers and, in a Tarzanesque manner, becoming king of the apes. He eventually manages to subdue even his captors by defeating them in the arena in a typical gladiator fight, thus freeing all the other captives and starting a slave rebellion. 

Like the commentator above, I also like stories where the monster wins (It reminds me of that Jung dream you&#039;ve mentioned in one of your recorded lectures, the one in which he and the savage man slay the dragon slayer), but I couldn&#039;t help comparing it with the original Planet of the Apes (the only really good one), and noticing how the responsibility of humans for the demise of their own civilization is somehow lessened here. In this movie it&#039;s an accident, an unintentional release of a chemical that was meant to cure a disease in an altruistic attempt to save lives, whereas in the original, the true nature of man and how it all came to pass was sumarrized in that famous quote: &#039;Beware the beast man, for he is the Devil&#039;s pawn. Alone among God&#039;s primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother&#039;s land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death.&#039; Nothing accidental or altruistic there, and of course, it&#039;s all proven to be true in the end, as the hero is forced to realise. The idea behind this version reminds me more of Fritz Lang&#039;s Metropolis, where an advanced and prosperous civilization builds itself on the misery and suffering of others, which proves to be the cause of its own undoing in the end. Here too humans aim to benefit from exploiting those who have no voice, but later in the movie that voice is gained, literally!
Those are just a few thoughts I wanted to share. Otherwise I agree with you concerning the quality of the movie, predictable and not at all original, but very enjoyable nontheless, much like Super 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I&#8217;ve been reading reviews on this site for a while now, but have never posted a comment. I&#8217;m not from an English speaking country, so excuse any spelling errors. I&#8217;ve made it a point not to read your reviews before I&#8217;ve watched the movie in question and formulated an opinion, and I&#8217;ve just seen Rise of the Planet of the Apes, so the impressions are still fresh in my mind. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a couple of motifs which appear in this movie that, although maybe not of great mythological importance, I think are still worth mentioning. The most prominent woul be the motif of the slaves&#8217; uprising. The whole movie reminded me of Spartacus, so much so that I believe THAT would be a more appropriate name for the ape than Cesar. He winds up in a Roman gladiator-like enviroment, in which he is pushed into violence. At first he loses, but is eventually able to rise in this new agresive and competitive world by employing the full potential of his superior mental powers and, in a Tarzanesque manner, becoming king of the apes. He eventually manages to subdue even his captors by defeating them in the arena in a typical gladiator fight, thus freeing all the other captives and starting a slave rebellion. </p>
<p>Like the commentator above, I also like stories where the monster wins (It reminds me of that Jung dream you&#8217;ve mentioned in one of your recorded lectures, the one in which he and the savage man slay the dragon slayer), but I couldn&#8217;t help comparing it with the original Planet of the Apes (the only really good one), and noticing how the responsibility of humans for the demise of their own civilization is somehow lessened here. In this movie it&#8217;s an accident, an unintentional release of a chemical that was meant to cure a disease in an altruistic attempt to save lives, whereas in the original, the true nature of man and how it all came to pass was sumarrized in that famous quote: &#8216;Beware the beast man, for he is the Devil&#8217;s pawn. Alone among God&#8217;s primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother&#8217;s land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death.&#8217; Nothing accidental or altruistic there, and of course, it&#8217;s all proven to be true in the end, as the hero is forced to realise. The idea behind this version reminds me more of Fritz Lang&#8217;s Metropolis, where an advanced and prosperous civilization builds itself on the misery and suffering of others, which proves to be the cause of its own undoing in the end. Here too humans aim to benefit from exploiting those who have no voice, but later in the movie that voice is gained, literally!<br />
Those are just a few thoughts I wanted to share. Otherwise I agree with you concerning the quality of the movie, predictable and not at all original, but very enjoyable nontheless, much like Super 8.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Contact by Stu Grimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu Grimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 02:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mr. Ebert,

A book you might find interesting is Brave New War by John Robb.  It is written from the perspective of a military intelligence expert, and is 100% non-intellectual in nature, but it is a short and concise book that can be gone through in a few hours.  It has to do with the democratization of disruptive capabilities.  The increasing complexity of our civilization, combined with technological augmentations that allow individuals or small groups to command vast destructive power, is leading to a situation in which the prevailing social order is simply no longer to maintain itself through conventional means.

Osama bin Ladin taunts the US in his 2004 speech by saying that he can send two mujahadeen with AK-47&#039;s to a random mountain to fire off a few rounds, and half the US military shows up to chase them around.  He is able to expend a few thousand dollars worth of resources that force us, due to institutional inertia and inflexibility, to enact a multi-billion dollar response.  And yet our system requires that we respond in such a way.  It is likely that developed economies will come to resemble societies like Mexico, in which the authorities preserving the status quo only have the resources to exercise direct control over certain portions of the territory, the rest of which is left to fend more and more for itself.  The areas under control, inhabited by the rich and those in the system, will come to resemble walled apartheid communities, lifeboats of order amidst a sea of chaos, with armed guards checking for ID at the gate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mr. Ebert,</p>
<p>A book you might find interesting is Brave New War by John Robb.  It is written from the perspective of a military intelligence expert, and is 100% non-intellectual in nature, but it is a short and concise book that can be gone through in a few hours.  It has to do with the democratization of disruptive capabilities.  The increasing complexity of our civilization, combined with technological augmentations that allow individuals or small groups to command vast destructive power, is leading to a situation in which the prevailing social order is simply no longer to maintain itself through conventional means.</p>
<p>Osama bin Ladin taunts the US in his 2004 speech by saying that he can send two mujahadeen with AK-47&#8217;s to a random mountain to fire off a few rounds, and half the US military shows up to chase them around.  He is able to expend a few thousand dollars worth of resources that force us, due to institutional inertia and inflexibility, to enact a multi-billion dollar response.  And yet our system requires that we respond in such a way.  It is likely that developed economies will come to resemble societies like Mexico, in which the authorities preserving the status quo only have the resources to exercise direct control over certain portions of the territory, the rest of which is left to fend more and more for itself.  The areas under control, inhabited by the rich and those in the system, will come to resemble walled apartheid communities, lifeboats of order amidst a sea of chaos, with armed guards checking for ID at the gate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Rise of the Planet of the Apes by Larry Pearce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, my above comment has nothing to do at all with your essay. I just wanted to make sure you knew that I still fall hopeless in love with a modern piece of cinema from time to time :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, my above comment has nothing to do at all with your essay. I just wanted to make sure you knew that I still fall hopeless in love with a modern piece of cinema from time to time <img src='http://www.cinemadiscourse.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on On Sucker Punch by Larry Pearce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*&quot;Tintoretto&quot;</description>
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